What Our Intellectual (Tarek Fateh , Hussein Ibish) say About Wahhabism and his Follow Mullahs

Tarek Fatah The Saudi-isation of Pakistan: Prof. Pervez Hoodbhoy laments the loss of Pakistan's rich culture in the deserts of... http://bit.ly/EW1Pf

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Jawad Ali

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbU0elNVg3c
Here is a great satire of the Saudiasation

8 hours ago

Tahbit Chowdhury

Great article. Good read.

8 hours ago

Hussein Ibish

I carry no water for the Saudi state, but this seems like a bit of a cop-out to me. Pakistan and the Indian subcontinent has a rich history of Islamic extremism of its own and both produced the deobandi tradition that finds its most extreme expression in the Taliban and also contributed significantly to the development of Salafist ideas (although ... Read morethis was plainly more of an Arab project, but not exclusively by any means). Jamal al-Din al-Afghani, Syed Abul A'ala Maududi, etc. predate Saudi oil wealth and ability to project major cultural influence into the subcontinent. I am not impressed by the "blame the Arabs" for Islamic extremism around the world argument. I think there is plenty of blame to go around, and South Asia has a pretty hefty share of it too.

6 hours ago

Imaad Ali

Hussein, if you look at the history of the Deobandi movement, and who they took their inspiration from, it was clearly Saudi influenced. The Deobandi were co-opted by the Wahhabi worldview which is of course, of Arab origin. As well, they took inspiration from Saudi Hanbali theologians who immigrated there in the 18th century, to help their Indian Muslim brothers with Hanbali theological inspiration against the British colonialists.

6 hours ago

Syed Asadullah

Imaad Ali sb is right, Deobandi, Tablighi, jamte islami Wahhabi all are one coin in different shape, founded by different name of Mullahs but the basic agenda's name is wahabism these Mullahs follow root Mullah Abdul Wahhab. Making fatwas to Muslim in the name of polytheism and beheading (our intellectuals) in the name religion bashing is the main agenda to all of them. Allah Save Muslims.

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Hussein Ibish

You may believe this if it gives you any comfort and I will not defend the Saudi state or any Islamic stridency from anywhere, but my reading of the history is quite different. I think that, as I say, the idea that extremist tendencies in Islam are simply or largely an Arab phenomenon is both wrong and a self-serving delusion. I see its sources and... Read more manifestations all over the Islamic world (except that Islam itself originates from the Arabian peninsula and therefore in a sense everything good and bad about it can ultimately, I suppose, be traced to that source).

6 hours ago

Ayaz Ahmed

Hussein, are you then saying that those extremist tendencies are part and parcel of Islam and will exist with or without any particular state or group being associated with them?

5 hours ago

Syed Asadullah

its true, Muslims are more influenced by wahabi arab ideology than others.

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Hussein Ibish

Ayaz, no, I'm not saying that at all, what I am saying is that many different political and clerical leaderships around the Islamic world across vast swathes of space and time have promoted extremism for purposes of legitimation and power. I think that's kind of obvious. Syed, you are quite right about the present situation, but powerful Saudi ... Read moreinfluence around the Islamic world doesn't date back much further than the early 60s, and I am sure no one imagines that extremism in the Muslim world only emerged in the past few decades (bad though they have been). My point is that the history of the Islamic world and various iterations of extremism in it is long, complex and varied, and in no way can be simply boiled down to Saudi, Wahabi or Arab influence. That's as silly as an Arab, Saudi or Wahabi trying to claim that they are the only true Muslims and everyone else is a poseur or a second-class Muslim (which some of course do). The blame and credit games are completely false in grand historical terms, though I would agree that there has been an oil money fueled Saudi extremist influence for the very much worse in the past 50 years or so. But that is hardly the origin or the sole or even main cause of most Muslim extremism which is a heterodox and overdetermined phenomenon.

5 hours ago

Syed Asadullah

Hussein Sir, u r right, extremism in the Muslim world were much earlier, but no much. Extremism is not related to Islam only. but in these few decades extremism cross its boundary. that's the reason wahhabism is an under. and sir are you forgetting about Ibn Tammiyah who was the actual Extrimist Muslim in whole history of Islam. wahhab was totally influenced by this person.

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Hussein Ibish

No, I am not forgetting him. He is indeed one of the main inspirations for many of the worst actors throughout Muslim history. But there are plenty of other sources of radicalism, intolerance and foulness besides him. Its sadly a major part of Islamic history, as it has been in Jewish, Christian and as far as I can tell all major religions.

4 hours ago

Tarek Fatah

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Dear Hussein,

The Wahabbi creed that has roots in Ibn Taymiya and can be said to go way back to the Kharijites, came to India through Abdul Wahhab's Indian disciple Shah Waliullah.
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Indian Islam until the 1700s was quite integrated with Hinduism and the Bhakti movement immortalised by the poems of Kabir in Northern India including the Punjab.

Tow fellas ruined it for us; the Mogul Emperor Aurangzeb and Shah Waliullah after his return from Arabia, imbibed with the zeal of Abdul Wahhab.

Dr. Hoodbhoy is not an amateur historian. He is a contemporary of Ekbal Ahmed, Pakistan's leading peace activist, an MIT educated nuclear phycist and lives under the constant threat of death at the ahnds of Saudi inspired Islamists.

The article reflects his frustration of the calamity that has hit Pakistan as result of the Saudis and Al-Qaeda as well as the presence of the 'Afghan Arabs' and their racist view of the indigenous peoples of Pakistan.

Saudi oil has proven to be a curse for the Muslims of India and Pakistan and I doubt if t can be ever rectified. This cancer has now spread to Bangladesh in the east and Kerala in the south.

The situation is so bad, that in the last ten years, it will be near impossible to find any Pakistan child named 'Pervez' or 'Jamshed' (because they are Persian) let alone anyone with a name that has Indian roots.

Maybe things will improve if Arabs start naming their children with Indian names just as they have embraced European names.

4 hours ago

Philippus Theophrastus von Hohenheim

Dear Hussein
Indeed Islamic extremism did have its own roots in India and Persia. Let us not forget that Abu Hamid Ghazali was of Persian origin. His works on philosophy has stunted islamic thought till today. However the particular brand of Deobandi-Wahabi extremism that now weilds major influence has its roots in men who adopted and espoused ... Read moreWahabi ideology of Ibn Taymiyah and Abdel Wahab. These are men such as Shaikh Ahmad Sirhindi and Shah Waliullah. Both these men did more to extract Islam from its Indian cultural milieu and transpose it into a confused Arabo-islamist one.

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